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#55 | The power of structures.

8. May 2024

Georgiy Michailov meets Christina Grubendorfer

On systemic leadership, necessary hierarchies and perfect managers.

1 h 2 Min

"Leadership looks to the future and reflects on whether the company is fit for the future."

Rethinking leadership. Not very complex at first glance. At second glance, a difficult construct with lots of pitfalls. It's no wonder that companies don't have such an easy time with the fresh leadership wind. Our guest in this SMP LeaderTalk has a clear message for anyone who wants to break up rigid leadership and move into a successful future: you can only lead successfully if you know how companies work. In her book "The Real Book of Work", Christina Grubendorfer focuses on the systemic perspective and does away with previous approaches. 

"Even in the most agile contexts, hierarchies come back in through the back door."

In this episode, she takes us inside her book and gives us a taste of what really matters when it comes to good leadership. For example, not to rigorously banish hierarchies. 

Because they do have a right to exist. In this interview, Christina Grubendorfer reveals why she even finds them practical and in which situations they make our working lives much easier.

"Who's a hero without people to crown them a hero?" 

Grubendorfer also talks about the manager as a hero figure, the most effective way to approach your own corporate culture and why she believes the perfect manager should be like an ethnologist.

*Video only in German

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