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#101 | Progress requires irritation.

SMP LeaderTalks

9. July 2025

Georgiy Michailov meets Prof. Dr. Maja Göpel

About courage, ideologies and the erosion of trust.

1 h 18 Min

"Most people only love the future when it has become the past."

Change is scary - that is deeply human. And yet, in retrospect, we appreciate it as social progress. But only after it has already happened. This is the conclusion reached by political economist Prof. Dr. Maja Göpel. And she has some prominent examples: smoking bans and compulsory seatbelts.

"Freedom does not work without rules."

This shows that rules are never neutral. They govern the way we live together - and quickly become a point of contention when change is imminent. In increasingly uncertain times, the question arises: how can change be achieved without losing trust? In this SMP LeaderTalk, she explains what the answer to this question might be and how to create change without losing trust.

"The medium-term erosion effect on trust is greater than any short-term success in power."

In an interview with Georgiy Michailov, she also talks about trust in the integrity of processes. They also discuss the question of how this trust in authorities and institutions can be restored and which breaking points the current government needs to address. The two also discuss democratic socialism.

*Video only in German

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